one of hillary clinton as secretary of state. although she was very strong, very good, and had a lot of reasonable success, in the end, there was no great triumph of the type you can point to with some of her predecessors, and you were never quite sure what her theme was, perhaps, as secretary of state, what her doctrine was. what was your assessment? >> i think she engaged. i think engagement with countries that the united states didn't have time to engage with during the bush years. and i think she went to a lot of places and flew the american flag and raised the colors in a lot of countries that had felt neglected. i think she was very involved in the issues that were interesting to her. i think she's interested in health care and health issues and the third world in particular. and also women's issues around the world. i think in the myanmar, burma, their influence there in striking up a workable relationship with the united states, a fledgling workiable relationship with the united states was probably her greatest achievemen